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Is this jin proper for taijiquan?

Post by J HepworthYoung » Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:37 pm

This does not seem to be what many people are doing, so perhaps this is wrong or bad methodology.
One can see the spine and back in this motion, allowing for easy viewing of the body-mechanics, allowing for feedback and criticism I hope.
Is this motion too external or hard?
It is being done in contact in the video, because impact of the same energies is far too strong to do near full force on a heavy hard target like a heavy wooden door.
It seems that the entire mass of the body is prepared like a cat or a snake and then when it initiates the whole mass moves rather suddenly.

This shaking power type move may not be a traditional jin/jing. Clearly the person in the video is no master.

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Re: Is this jin proper for taijiquan?

Post by Tashi James » Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:52 pm

sorry...but is there a link missing from the initial post?
"There is nothing that does not become easier through familiarity" (Santideva).

"We become what we do repeatedly. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit" (Aristotle).

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Re: Is this jin proper for taijiquan?

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Re: Is this jin proper for taijiquan?

Post by Tashi James » Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:26 am

Thx J,

Though I am no expert in this field by any stretch of the imagination, i will throw in my two cents.

Its really difficult to tell..because of the angle and underexposure and the limited view..It seems to be led by the waist with no separation of shoulder movement from the leading hip, however, you will notice [if you replay a few times] the elbow of the striking arm also seems to give a little when issuing 'jin'. Moreover, there is flexing of the deltoid of the left [lazy/dead] arm and the infraspinatus muscle above the left latissimus dorsi muscle of the back. I was only able to replicate this muscle flexing action during fajin by tensing the pectoral muscles, which would suggest that the movement of the video may be an external form of 'jin'.

I'd like to see the same movement with a clear view of what the legs and striking arm are doing.
"There is nothing that does not become easier through familiarity" (Santideva).

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Re: Is this jin proper for taijiquan?

Post by Nik » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:29 pm

Doesn't look like having much of jin at all. Especially judged by the sound, as when you do that with considerable jin levels, it sounds like an elephant doing it.

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Re: Is this jin proper for taijiquan?

Post by J HepworthYoung » Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:06 pm

Especially judged by the sound, as when you do that with considerable jin levels, it sounds like an elephant doing it.
When you write "as when you do that/b]"... it sounds like an elephant doing it.
What is it you mean by the word "that"?
Is there some exhalation missing?
What should make noise?

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Re: Is this jin proper for taijiquan?

Post by Nik » Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:31 am

Hitting something, especially something that resonates like a heavy door. I was afraid to practice a bit of that in our company because of the booming sound through the whole building.

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Re: Is this jin proper for taijiquan?

Post by J HepworthYoung » Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:44 pm

I didn't see any hitting in the video.
Only issuing, no impact.

I wonder, if there had been impact, would the sound have been different?

Consider the same thing on a heavy bag, start in contact with it and then issue into it without removing your hand. How much noise does it make to issue energy into the bag? I'd imagine it is very little. But then if one combines issuing with impacting then there could be a lot of noise.

But I could be wrong.

Sending a booming noise through a building sounds fun.

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