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eight banners

Post by ynze » Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:23 pm

Since there is no GRTC Cafe or any other place for miscellaneous issues I pose the question here.

For a presentation I would like to print the eight banners on A4 or A3 format. Unfortunately all that I was able to find on the internet is of poor quality. Does anybody know where to find good images of the banners.

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Re: eight banners

Post by Scott M. Rodell » Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:52 am

When I need Chinese historical images, I usually try the Chinese search engine http://www.baidu.com/

Here are the image results from Baqi, Eight Banners (八旗)
http://image.baidu.com/i?tn=baiduimage& ... 0%CB%C6%EC

& fro Eight Military Banners (八旗军)
http://image.baidu.com/i?ct=201326592&c ... z=0&fm=rs2

Good luck...

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Re: eight banners

Post by ynze » Fri Dec 24, 2010 4:22 am

thanx laoshr.
(since my chinese is a little bit rusty I'm not sure how helpfull that site will prove, but I will certainly try)

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Qing Naval Flag

Post by Scott M. Rodell » Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:45 am

Just for viewing fun, here's a QIng Navy Flag from 1857... as you can image, period flags are quite rare...
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Re: eight banners

Post by ynze » Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:50 pm

I find this one one of the most beautiful.

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Re: eight banners

Post by Scott M. Rodell » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:01 am

ynze wrote:I find this one one of the most beautiful.
The Qng had all kinds of Banners & no real proper National Flag until one was forced upon them by you Europeans...

Here's one late Naval Banner-

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You can find links to more at: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/cn-imp.html

Here's another from WIkipedia-

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"An Imperial Chinese junk flag captured during the First China War 1839-42. It is part of a collection belonging to Sir Robert Oliver (1783-1848), Superintendent of the Indian Navy. The hand sewn flag is made of silk with a cotton hoist. It is a triangular shape in light blue with a darker blue hoist and red indented border. There is a silver and gold dragon and pearl motif in centre surrounded by clouds with lightning flashes in the borders. The dragon has four toes."

Find others at: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Categ ... ng_Dynasty

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Re: eight banners

Post by ynze » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:20 am

Scott M. Rodell wrote:
ynze wrote:I find this one one of the most beautiful.
The Qng had all kinds of Banners & no real proper National Flag until one was forced upon them by you Europeans...
It's funny you write about us Eurepeans. All though I'm not absolutely sure, but I think it's the Brits who had a large influence there.
They're the least of the Europeans.
They are Islanders and I believe that the fast majority still do not realy want to be part of Europe.

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Chinese Military Banners

Post by Scott M. Rodell » Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:33 am

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In the woodblock above, you can see that most of the banners carried in battle were unit banners, these often had the name of the general leading those troops in a circle in the center. The color of the banner itself likely related to which of the Eight Banners that group is from.

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Qing Battle Paintings

Post by Scott M. Rodell » Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:27 pm

A great number of Qing era paintings of battles & Bannermen can be found at: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Categ ... ng_Dynasty

Many of these battle scenes give an idea of the unit formations & the flags they flew. Here's just one example:

Capture of Zhengxiong, Yunnan
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Many of the images, including the above, can be enlarged to see the details in more detail.

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